Sacrifice is so very Stone Age.
Half banana
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How much was Christ's ransom sacrifice? Equal to Adam?
by jonathan dough inhow much was the ransom?
gods justice did not require an exact equivalent man-for-man sacrifice between the first adam and jesus, the second adam.
gods gift required more.
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This misquote makes my blood boil! (Excuse the pun)
by ILoveTTATT2 inthis absolutely upsets me!they always keep doing this garbage, putting people into harm's way by not telling them the whole information!and plus, any blood info from australia is likely biased... the two jw's they hired to manage blood transfusions in australia are doing an excellent job at doing propaganda.
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Half banana
ILT and Birdy, the incongruity is so absurd, It is the subterfuge of the cuckoo who gets its brood established and nurtured in the nest at the expense of the nest builders. Perhaps that's just business folks!
Why on earth do the medical authorities in these affected countries permit Watchtower lunacy when they are responsible for the lives if their patients? JWs would be the last people to be consulted medically on the matter of blood, it does not gel with normal protocol. Life is far more important than dogma.
I assume that it is partly a matter of the wedge principle. The thin end was inserted by the Liaison Committees in response to satisfying the hospital’s need for guidelines on the JW no-blood stance. This engendered some respect for JWs and entrepreneurs followed up with a credible professional team with carefully checked documentation for medical acceptability. Indeed bloodless surgery does have benefits but overall the transfusion of blood has proved its worth for almost a century.
The individual I personally know or rather knew, involved in the schemes is most definitely not a clinically experienced medic but a successful business man. The Watchtower and the JWs have for a long time made millions of people uneasy about taking blood and it is easy to scare the ignorant. Surely the Australian medical authorities and other such are not so naive?
I know you have done so much valuable and welcome research on this (and I haven’t) but I am still looking for your definitive evidence of official Watchtower complicity and profiting from the promotion of the work of Farmer and Hofmann et al.
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Whatever Happened to the Remnant?
by snugglebunny inback in the 50's, when i was just a skinny kid, my father became po of a new congregation.
he'd only been baptised for around 4 years, so his rise was quite remarkable.just one of his flock in the new cachement area was of the "remnant".
this lady was well into her 60's, childless but married.
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Half banana
Paradise beauty, I recognise we have a democratic right to differ. You say you think that being anointed with holy spirit is the true Christian hope. You have every right to have a stab at belief but it can hardly be called knowledge can it?
Your opinions however are based on the Christian scriptures and the conventional spin taught from them... mine, on this subject, come from a literary reality. May I suggest that you quote the text of the Bible as if it is from a divine source whereas the NT is the work of cult leaders who wanted to use the old pre-Jesus saviour figures as the basis for their new vision of religious control. Partly it is due to the inclusions of the various older tales such as the different gospel versions of the nativity which make for the contradictions in the NT. And in part it was due to the need to harmonise irreconcilable dogma such as found in the different cults, including Judaism in the Catholic push to organise Christianity under the one united umbrella of the Roman Church. The Bible, for all its time honoured holiness is most certainly not from God. To believe that it is, leaves one vulnerable to perpetual misunderstanding.
If you quote the Bible and God and Jesus you must first be sure from a rational knowledge that these things are what you believe them to be. It is however very easy to believe things because we like them...but that doesn’t make them true.
As an example of what I am saying, might you suggest why it was that the saviour god-man Osiris had a mother called Isis Meri, was born of a virgin, had twelve disciples, healed the sick and raised from the dead his friend Lazarus. (The names and tales changed significantly over the course of Egyptian history) All this two thousand years before Jesus was attributed with the same magical properties? Can you imagine why this was?
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How strange that God's organisation needs tob eg for money
by Half banana ini would say that if god or jehovah or any other named or nameless god needs money then he/she/it is not much of a god.
as a poor jw pioneer i scraped by as a way of life serving a god i could not know, see or sense in any way but i swallowed the biblical dogma and recalled that the birds of the air neither toiled nor sowed but were provided for.. so for goodness sake...why is the jw org so concerned with keeping, promoting or downright snatching as much money as they can from the sheep?.
is it a sign that jehovah has disinherited them?
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(I notice it's not possible to correct the title line!) The organisation needs to beg money -
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How strange that God's organisation needs tob eg for money
by Half banana ini would say that if god or jehovah or any other named or nameless god needs money then he/she/it is not much of a god.
as a poor jw pioneer i scraped by as a way of life serving a god i could not know, see or sense in any way but i swallowed the biblical dogma and recalled that the birds of the air neither toiled nor sowed but were provided for.. so for goodness sake...why is the jw org so concerned with keeping, promoting or downright snatching as much money as they can from the sheep?.
is it a sign that jehovah has disinherited them?
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Half banana
I would say that if God or Jehovah or any other named or nameless god needs money then he/she/it is not much of a god.
As a poor JW pioneer I scraped by as a way of life serving a god I could not know, see or sense in any way but I swallowed the Biblical dogma and recalled that “the birds of the air” neither toiled nor sowed but were provided for.
So for goodness sake...why is the JW org so concerned with keeping, promoting or downright snatching as much money as they can from the sheep?
Is it a sign that Jehovah has disinherited them?
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Whatever Happened to the Remnant?
by snugglebunny inback in the 50's, when i was just a skinny kid, my father became po of a new congregation.
he'd only been baptised for around 4 years, so his rise was quite remarkable.just one of his flock in the new cachement area was of the "remnant".
this lady was well into her 60's, childless but married.
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Half banana
A good question Snugs since the thinking of JWs who were fruitlessly looking for a promised end of the system of things in the last century also imagined some special group among them who were heaven bound. This was part of Witness theology and to deny it would have meant curtains for you.
As the last century wore on the 1914 generation doctrine began to look more like it failure. The “anointed” were to have guided the “other sheep” through the turmoil of Armageddon into the “new world”. Big Watchtower joke/lie! It wasted the lives of .millions.
As for the anointed it appears they unceremoniously were dismissed surplus to requirements, all were deluded...except the Most Holy Governing Body. The self appointed super anointed. The rest of the anointed are nuts, don’t listen to them!
This stupid religion has never taught anything useful, all their teachings are unsubstantiated and will mislead you if you believe them. Please people wake up and desert this god-forsaken cult. (Half banana applies brakes to his rant wagon!)
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Half banana
The young Hitler lost his mother to breast cancer when he was seventeen about the time he twice failed his art college entrance exam. I guess that the painting was made about this time, i.e. after 1907. He has used the subject of Madonna and Child in Renaissance colours to project his own tender feelings for his late mother for whom he dutifully cared in her last days. He had already lost his father and one brother. The painting is optimistic in its light tones and bright colours but conventional and sentimental, derivative and with a slightly unsettled composition. Cropping the overpowering daisies (symbol of innocence) on the left would make for a better balance including a reduction of green which is too dominant for a picture of harvest and sunlight. It is the work of someone who has some familiarity of the techniques and symbolism in painting, with a sound understanding of spatial depth. It was clear from the relationship he had with his mother that he was capable of feeling for others; however, it seems that it was limited to within his own family. He saw the outside world only in connection with himself, hence perhaps self-identifying with the Christ-child. There is, in the sun’s rays and the ethereal temple, a hint of messianic hope. But who was going to be the messiah?
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"THE TRUTH" & "THE WAY"
by Nicholaus Kopernicus inwhen speaking of "the truth" jehovah's witnesses may have in mind several contexts, including.... "... the entire body of christian teachings that has become part of the bible..." w08 12/15 p. 27-p. 29 par.
13and/or the body of knowledge determined by the "... highest ecclesiastical authority for the faith of jehovah's witnesses..." which is arrived at and sanctioned by the governing body and as stated by gerrit losch in his legal submission to the supreme court of california in february 2014.indeed, most jehovah's witnesses may not discriminate between these two perspectives and will likely envisage the body of knowledge determined by the gb as synonymous with that stated in the aforementioned 2008 wt magazine ("entire body of christian teachings").
however, a number of dissenting/analytical jehovah's witnesses, former congregants, etc., will discern an increasing gulf between that which is scripturally derived / determined, and the body of knowledge arrrived at by the gb.gerrit losch in the following magazine article "w12 8/1 p. 28 champions of the truth" is noted as having asked....''how do we know we have the truth?
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Half banana
Nicholaus K a good post but as you continue trying to sort out what is truth, instead of being snagged on applying what it says in the Bible, give a thought to where those scriptures and the ideas in the Bible actually came from...and it wasn’t from heaven.
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Recent Observation: "Even if it's true..."
by freemindfade inhas anyone else heard this said more frequently lately?
"even if it's true..." i have seen it said on here a few times in quotes from in family or friends responding the negative things about the org.. i heard it tuesday night again.
in a pioneer sisters comment.
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Half banana
Since JWs are in denial, they place the idea that they are doing God’s will above the nagging doubts that they might have got things wrong. Any new evidence to expose their lack of rational foundation is dismissed as another attack on their impregnable mental castle. Trouble is that the Watchtower castle is built in the air and all who live there are living in an imaginary world. They can stay airbourne as long as they don’t start questioning and reasoning.
The dream and the self satisfied smiles, the cherished hopes, the feeling of safety shared with the jolly crowd of fellow drones... all end with conceding at last that the WTS belief system is wrong.
The JW cannot afford to permit the idea they are wrong, their whole happiness hinges on it. ”It is still the truth” they keep comforting each other with...even though some can see it all crumbling.
It’s holding on to the dream which counts for Jehovah’s Witnesses. Holding on to the dream, even if it’s wrong, makes you a JW hero.
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Rejecting something due to unscriptural or pagan origins.....?
by stuckinarut2 inso witnesses reject many practices or holidays due to their "unscriptural or pagan" origins.. for example, birthday celebrations, mothers or father's day, christmas etc..... most people in the world will say "but the origin doesn't matter anymore, we follow this custom now because it's a joyful occasion that creates happy times and brings the family together".
it is still firmly rejected.. so, if the wrong origin is so important, and should result in rejecting something, why isn't the same principle applied to the actual jehovah's witness faith itself!?.
after all, the very foundation of the organisation was based on wrong understandings of the bible, far fetched teachings and doctrines, links to false religious backgrounds, pyramidology, false predictions, inaccurate beliefs etc...... using their reasoning, it doesn't matter how good something is now, if the origin was faulty to begin with?
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Half banana
Starting about the fourth century CE, pagan was the roman word of contempt for the uneducated people from the pagus or village, those who were not taught the sophisticated city beliefs such as Roman Christianity, the peasants who were bedevilled by belief in the folk myths. The essence of this meaning is also found in the word heathen i.e. those living out on the heath or rough lands (where heather grows). By contrast Roman Christianity was a city religion and hence urban or ‘urbane’.